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Post by fiona on Oct 31, 2011 17:39:32 GMT -5
I went into OGH and read it again. I like the writing, but we really need to organize and some of it is missing also. I finished the tour today. So, I guess I'm ready to move on. Let's all talk.
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Post by Dave on Oct 31, 2011 18:03:47 GMT -5
We need a story arc. I think it's just you and me, unless Jon is interested again.
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Post by fiona on Nov 1, 2011 17:53:17 GMT -5
What'a a story arc?
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Post by Dave on Nov 1, 2011 20:00:36 GMT -5
Sorry, I'm learning new words again.
No, actually, a novel or fully developed story has a central storyline that has what some call an arc. The arc builds from its introduction (he had a gun) up through various levels of tension (he had half a mind to punish the sob) finally to a climax (POW!) and then to any aftermath. So the story describes an "arc" as the characters also are introduced and possibly/ hopefully go through some sort of transformation.
So in this case, I think we talked about telling the story from Annie's point of view. The action climax is the fire, of course. What kind of character does she transform from and to? That can hang on the shoulders of the fire, as in Annie changing from a kid interested only in herself to a young woman of poise (from her experience and friendship with Mary) and maturity from surmounting her problems or troubles.
The fire isn't' the story, it's the dramatic icing. The real story is ____________ (fill in the blank.)
Didn't mean to lecture.
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Post by fiona on Nov 2, 2011 18:41:57 GMT -5
S' OK. Now I see what you mean. S' no lecture. All good. I have to think about this since most of what has been written (By myself) has been 3rd person omniscient and so far Sarah seems to be the central character. Can we take a look at what has been written so far and try to get it organized somehow? Mabye parse it out into cohesive chapters? Some of it is missing ... the scene on the canal at the American Hotel where Sarah soaks her feet in the bucket... I think I have it around here somewhere... I'll have to look for it, because I don't think I could re write it. Tomorrow, then.
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Post by Dave on Nov 2, 2011 22:01:35 GMT -5
Yes, and if I remember correctly, most of what you wrote was also from Sarah's Point Of View. That's certainly OK. And with third person omniscient, your character will have the most flexibility and the story can progress more easily. The narrator knows all without the characters having to be aware of everything. First person can add more immediacy, but can be difficult when, for example, you want to the reader to know something that the 1P narrator won't be aware of just yet. (A friend is writing a 1P novel and has painted herself into a corner numerous times, unable to tell the reader a significant fact because the heroine couldn't possibly have that information at that particular time.)
But I think...especially with multiple authors ... 3Po would be best.
Would we begin with Sarah and Mary meeting Annie at the train? Was that piece from Mary's POV?
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Post by fiona on Nov 3, 2011 18:48:46 GMT -5
No. i think it was from both sarah's and mary's. let me go back and read it again. Also, i have some wonderful news: All the saturday Globes at OCHS have been digitized and are now available on the OCHS website at the library. This means that I can now get "the full story" of the GF/Olbiston/. I can go back and read about the GF being built, ect, as well as the Olbiston. I am so excited about this because there are so many gaps in the story that have to be filled in by imagining what it was like. I can read ahead now about the outcome of the fire. In this way the story will round itself out. More tomorrow.
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Post by Dave on Nov 3, 2011 21:11:31 GMT -5
Did you say it's available on the web? That would be great! Let us know.
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Post by Dave on Nov 3, 2011 21:23:06 GMT -5
By the way, I saw their story on the Utica Country Day School and sent them a note expressing surprise the article doesn't mention MVCC and Notre Dame High School spent time in that building. I graduated in the first class, 1961, and we spend the the 1960-61 school year in the Utica Country Day School. And the Brothers lived there!
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Post by fiona on Nov 4, 2011 14:37:20 GMT -5
OK So, I guess we can start anywhere - doesn't matter to me - let's start with the scene where Mary gets off the train - where she flashes her ankle at the conductor - let's read it over critically first.
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Post by Dave on Nov 4, 2011 19:51:41 GMT -5
OK, you start, because the movers will be here at 8:00 a.m. tomorrow, Saturday. I'll be here and there, so to speak, for a few days. And Lord knows how much of a task unpacking and finding everything will take! Wish us luck!
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Post by fiona on Nov 5, 2011 17:46:04 GMT -5
YOU are moving?  And I never got to say goodby to you or Mrs. Dave. Sniff. |
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Post by fiona on Nov 19, 2011 18:40:47 GMT -5
Hello there. I know I have been away. I have had some awesome awful GI problems and had to go to the ER, been very sick, but am doing better now. On Wednesday next I will be in New Haven. I am going to go to the Yale Library to see if they have anything at all on JB Wood - pictures - anything - I know it's a long shot, but I have to try if I want to move this Titanic forward. Hope all is well.
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Post by fiona on Nov 23, 2011 19:04:36 GMT -5
hello all. here I am in New Haven and went to the Yale Law Library today and there I found a wealth of stuff on J>B> Wood, with more to come. Will be in touch soon.
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Post by Dave on Nov 24, 2011 0:25:39 GMT -5
Fiona, I missed yours of November 19. Very sorry to hear of your illness and hope you are getting better. I've walked around the streets of New Haven, wandered into the book shops, bought coffee and sat for a while. Still a nice town, although criss crossed by super highways these days.
Good luck at the Law Library. Were you given access? Let us know how you're feeling!
Dave
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And I never got to say goodby to you or Mrs. Dave. Sniff.